Brave, Inc., get rid of free rewards. They’re of zero use. No one cares to use Brave, because of free rewards. It’s never gonna happen. You can get people by paying them U.S. $1m each. Only, you’ll only get people to use Brave, because they get paid. No one cares to browse, because Brave pays them U.S. $0.000001 cents per page view.
It’s dumb to pay people for using Brave. And it’s dumb to pay people for enabling Brave ads.
Also, change Brave by showing Brave ads by default. Include this change in the next Brave update. You do not want people to have them enable Brave ads them self. It’s bad business. You want people to disable Brave ads them self.
I don’t understand. You say you use Brave, because the browser blocks ads and trackers by default. I don’t see how that’s the same as using Brave, because of free rewards.
Also, if you say you choose Brave, because of its default setting to block ads and trackers, then you give a different reason as when you would use Brave, because of free rewards.
Correct me if I’m wrong.
I think I’ve misread your first reponse.
You actually choose Brave, because of the free rewards. It seems there are few people on earth who actually care for such a thing.
2.65b chrome users tell me differently. Those people posting about rewards, what is that next compared to chrome? 1 in a 100m? And what is it next compared to brave? 1 in 1m?
All I know is that free rewards are a complete waste, next compared to user growth.
I hesitated to post my opinions but decided if I get trashed, I get trashed. Be kind.
I like the whole Brave Browser/BAT Rewards concept. To me it is a part of their business model and to get rid of BAT Rewards would fundamentally change that. Yes, a lot of resources are spent solving BAT problems on this forum, but I think it is growing pains and actually helps them test and improve their system overall. Over time, hopefully, the kinks will be ironed out.
I like the idea of receiving BAT for viewing/clicking ads. I could get paid for doing the same thing from a Marketing/Survey type site, but they want way too much personal/private information to even participate. Nope, not going to do it. Brave doesn’t ask for any of that. The most I’ve provided is an email address and my email account is not getting spammed with emails from unknown sources, or emails with embedded ads, by providing it.
BAT is currently up and down around $0.85-ish USD per BAT. Several people on this forum have mentioned how BAT Rewards supplement their (limited) income. And several people have also mentioned that they sold their BAT for USD. Depending on where you live, that could be significant. For me, getting BAT Rewards is like a free investment in something that may be worth significantly more in the future. Like any of the tokens out there, it’s all a gamble at this point. All for viewing (or ignoring) ads.
BAT Rewards is a perk but I really like many of the browser features. Shields and Bookmarks are my favorite. lol I also like that I can choose what “news” I want shown in Brave News and it doesn’t slap me in the face when I open a NTP. If I want to see it (which I usually do), I just scroll down. If I don’t like what I see, I take that site off my Brave News source. Maybe one day they will add a feature to include your own sites in the news source! That would be nice.
I am definitely pro-Brave Browser and pro-BAT and support their efforts (yes, I’ve actually bought some BAT, omg). I think they are on the right course. This is just my opinion… everyone has their own… there’s a joke in there somewhere isn’t there?
Just curious, how do you know this? or are you referring to just within these community forums? Also, are you saying that within the community, non-rewards related support is not happening?
I agree the spamming of duplicate topics regarding rewards is ridiculous and the lack of any apparent effort on the spammers part to even follow instructions or do a basic search or research on their own is ridiculous too. lol I fully support a hardline approach: you don’t give us the information we need, your topic gets closed. Period. I see they are doing that occasionally, and posting why, but I personally think it’s not done enough. I don’t understand the reasoning behind the approach myself. Oh to be a fly on the wall. lol
This would work but then you would be spending even more resources to support that. Also, now you have another separate site besides the umpteen other separate sites already out there, ugh. Maybe just a reorganization of the forums? Like BAT related and NON-BAT related categories? Could forbid the word BAT in the NON-BAT categories!! lol
Exactly. But like game currency, whether allowed or not in the game’s ToS, BAT can be bought and sold for real-world currency outside the game, especially if the game is popular. People can make money from doing it to boot. If any money can be made, the people interested in doing that are going to ride the wave until it crashes and then move on.
I just don’t understand how that would work… the 3rd party would have to go through the code on the Brave side if there is a problem? or the user interacts with the 3rd party and they turn around and interact with Brave? I would think Brave receives the most benefit of having a 3rd party service available to their users… the 3rd party could just tell them to get lost.
Not really, I don’t know anything about how browsers are built or how they function. I just know I like how those things I mentioned work when I use them regardless of how they are built into the browser. You can turn off Brave Rewards and you can remove Brave News from the NTP if you don’t want those options. That is good enough for me. Also, I only use a PC, so not sure if “bloat” applies or not. Maybe, if the build is modular, they could remove/uninstall files that are not opted into? Is that even possible? Yep, showing my ignorance here. lol
Can you name one way that the BAT helps to test and improve the system overall?
A good business model is to slap people in the face with as many ads/news items as possible, and at the same time to add an option in the settings that allows people to turn off/change the ads/news.
For example, Youtube, 2.3b users, they only increase video ads over time. Those 2.3 don’t care to leave Youtube. If getting slapped in the face with ads is what they get, then ads is what they’ll watch.
At least Youtube has the right approach when it comes to using ads business-wise.
Next compared to Youtube, there’s Tiktok. They disable ads by default. What this means is that creators rather do not allow ads on their videos, because it makes for fewer views (because Tiktok doesn’t enable ads by default for 1b users, meaning that the 1b doesn’t get to see videos with ads enabled)
Sorry, I’ don’t think I understand the question. I can explain what I meant, maybe that will answer your question. Hope it does anyway. lol
Whatever Brave chooses to integrate into their browser, if a user finds something not working as intended and reports it, Brave is made aware of an issue they may not have known about before and can make a correction which in turn improves the system overall. That is all I meant. I’ve run across many examples within the support categories across the board, including issues relating to BAT Rewards, where this has happened. Sometimes it is a “known issue” they are already working on and sometimes it is a new issue and they open a new issue report.
I browse the Brave Github just because I find it interesting. Don’t know what I am looking at most the time, but it is interesting! lol There are issues reported from support, tech, and users. You can search the issues. You can see the issues move (or stall) in the system. To me it is overwhelming, but it does give perspective. lol
To you, that is a good business model. To me, it is bad policy and intrusive and I would not use that business unless I absolutely had to and there were no other choices. I do that now, I make choices all the time on which businesses I choose to support and which I don’t. If the only business model out there would be “to slap people in the face…”, I wouldn’t be on the internet. Thankfully, there are options and choices I can make. Some of my choices are not mainstream or the most popular, but they fit me and that takes a lot of stress and irritation out of my online experience.
These are my opinions, right or wrong, good or bad, at this point in time (subject to change in the future lol), they are mine and I own them. I think…
You’ve confirmed what I said. You are one guy. And your experience is significantly different from billions of users. Meaning, what I said is a good business model. And that is not a matter of opinion. You can deny that. That doesn’t mean I’m wrong.
Which brings me back to the title of this post. It’s bad business to give users free rewards.
There are a few things about your comment that need improvement
Not exactly. People who know to get a browser installed also know to get an extension installed. The people who don’t use extensions are the people who don’t want to.
Again, not exactly. In this case, you’re right. Well, as a matter of symptom. Your answer to bookmarks comes down to usage. Usage comes down to user experience. Which is why every browser allows to bookmark any page, because it makes for a better user experience.
Exactly. They do not make for a better user experience.
Again, I’m talking about billions of users. I’ve posted that other thread, about chrome being the dominating browser, because of its marvellous speed. Which is #1 priority to billions of users. And chrome takes lead when it comes to speed. Yes, billions of users browse with just one tab, with just raw text. And chrome is the browser that adapts to the individual, unlike any other browser.
I don’t know how many times I need to say to move free rewards to the rubbish bin. They are a waste, when it comes to user growth, that is.
ive been with Brave for a longtime and it has failed to send the free Bat since the beginning and its still very Buggy . I still havent got my free Bat from when I first joined how ever many years ago that was. I just got my free Bat from Feb. and its the first Bat that I can actually see in My wallet !!! Lol the Free Bat I actually thought was just a gimmick like the apps on Playstore that say oh download now n u will get paid real cash after u watch 30000 ads in 24hrs n no joke I have watched ad after ad n still never ever got paid from any of them either. This Bat and Brave Browser now has 3 or 4 different Browsers to download n use n I cant figure out glitch is the best 1 or if they r even legit . Is there a different Browser then just plain Brave Browser that actually gives out the free Bat n does it on a regular basis every month like its supposed ir r the.black n blue n purple or orange browsers all glitched out aswell ? I cant even find 1 Browser that does the free Bat for ads by Brave that even works . Might aswell just take away the free Bat for ads away as it doesnt work right anyways.
@jordy You may want to do more research. Right now I’m not sure if you’re just here to be a troll or what your purpose in commenting might be. I think you and a lot of other people never really went through to read and understand what Brave is, how it works, or even what Rewards is all about.
Right now people are focused on exchanging and everything, treating BAT a bit like a coin. Yet somehow it gets missed that it’s a token with no innate cash value. It just represents how much time someone has spent viewing ads and visiting websites. Rewards aren’t a really a payment or anything.
So what’s the purpose you may ask? Isn’t it useless? Well, not really. Much like how we have the button and all on posts, or even the here it’s a way to show that users are supporting content. Only unlike those emojis or likes on pages, you can trade/sell those to others.
Yet that’s not all! Believe it or not, they are actually working on implementing things like:
BAT Payments (“Pay with BAT”)
Web developers can integrate Pay with BAT into their websites and apps with the JavaScript and PHP development kit, allowing visitors to pay for content and other items with the BAT from their Brave Rewards wallets.
With TAP Network, you can use BAT to get gift cards, enter sweepstakes, etc.
For users, Brave Rewards is about using an awesome browser and eventually getting some extra goodies out of it or contributing it to our favorite sites and content providers to show them we appreciate and support them.
And for me, I switched from Chrome because of the Rewards initially. I mean, if I just wanted an adblock and all, there were extensions for that. As others said, there’s plenty of alternatives out there. Heck, some of the browsers have better utility in certain ways. Yet Brave has been good with everything they are offering and the little bit of BAT helps. I also like the idea of being able to support content creators in a different way. I don’t have cash to send as donations and wasn’t about to deal with a lot of ads on random pages, especially since some put malware and all on your computer. So BAT gives me that option to give it to the good sites and basically give a “F you” to sites that don’t really offer anything of value by blocking their ads and not having to give anything to them.
It (BAT/Rewards) also is the basis of a community of users and has a value only as we give it. As they work on things here in the future, it gives us new ways to interact and support each other as well as content creators. While one may focus on just the Rewards/BAT for direct value in money, it truly represents something much greater. It’s a culture, a community, and maybe even family in some cases.
Sorry if you can’t see value in that, but figured I’d have to throw in the idea that BAT/Rewards is what makes this unique and often is why people choose to use this browser compared to others.
Calling someone a troll… That comment never seems to get old, does it?
It’s like, ‘I don’t like what you say, some now I’m gonna call you a troll. Yes, now I can bully. Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha’.
Rewards and like buttons are two seperate things. Like buttons make for a better user experience. Because algorithms of platforms are partly motivated by people hitting a like button. A platform knows to adapt better to an individual’s taste, because of a like button. Which makes for a better user experience.
Tell me, just how do rewards make for a better user experience? Your comments tell all kinds of things about rewards, except for how they bring value to user experience. The user experience of Brave as a browser, that is.
I currently don’t have reason to say anything but to move free rewards over to the rubbish bin.
Oh, and, please, stop name-calling people, it’s really lame. No offence.
Oh, and, please, and I say this to you and all other Brave users, stop using yourself as an example. You couldn’t use a worse example, when talking about user growth.
Actually it does. Unfortunately people like yourself who are only around to argue and stir up trouble never seem to go away.
Incorrect (referencing how you said they are different). If nothing else we can say it’s also like Karma on Reddit. Rather than “algorithms” as you mentioned, our Rewards go towards funding a website. The more who “Like” by tipping provide more money, which allows the creator to continue their work. Those who “Dislike” by refusing to tip and using the browser to block ads then prevent the creator earning any money from their visit, which makes it harder to continue.
I already did that, as have others. But you then decided to turn it into an argument and used a logical fallacy in doing so. Let’s look at that with a quote below.
After that we ended up with:
So let’s see. We’re comparing Chrome, which was released in 2008 with Brave, which was released in 2019. You have Chrome which is natively installed on Android devices, despite whether users really care to use it, which also inflates numbers. In any case, you’re taking and comparing a 14 year old to a 3 year old browser. Let’s face it, Brave is still in its developing years and isn’t anywhere near its full potential. Numbers will be lower because it’s not native on a platform or with a widely known company, so growth is admittedly a bit more tricky.
As to your 1 in 100m and all, I’m not even sure where you’re trying to go with that. Sure, Brave’s 54.5 million users is minute compared to Chrome’s current 2.65 billion users. Yet that has nothing to do with the discussion of whether Rewards is something that attracts users to a browser. One place we can look at to get an understanding of user caring about Rewards is here in Brave Community. Look at the number of people who come in here posting when they have issues on receiving payment. Though that only would represent the small number of population who are having difficulties whereas the majority of users successfully receive their BAT.
That starts off in that “what you say doesn’t matter, only I can be correct.” and then you speak as if you have interviewed billions of users. If you want to speak on facts, then do so. But what you’re doing is only speaking of your own opinion and you’re trying to use poor logic in your comparisons. “This business model has been around longer, so it’s better!” That’s like saying “billboards have existed a long time and been profitable, so that’s that ONLY way you can advertise. All other forms of advertisement is not relevant.” Business models and advertising are always changing.
That’s where Rewards come in, they are presenting a new business model where they, advertisers, users, and creators are all able to receive money from user activity. I’m betting you missed the part of Rewards where websites are also paid based on the amount of time users spend on the website, right? The business model here is that users get to block ads they don’t want to see on sites they don’t want to see them, are able to opt in to less intrusive rewards, can pay for sites/creators they wish to support, and they are able to provide the user engagement data in a anonymous way rather than to have profiles and tracking everywhere you go from a multitude of other sites.
Yet you wish to only go with your own opinion? Let’s face it, nobody has done a thorough and legitimate poll on who uses the browser for Rewards or how many are interested because of it. You can try red herrings, begging the question, bandwagon, texas sharpshooter, or many other fallacies in play here.
Since neither of us has done any valid polling or research, we only have our own opinions and experience to fall back on. Your opinion was that No one cares to use Brave, because of free rewards. which has been refuted by a few now. So your “NONE” was disproven. And yes, for me to say that I use Brave because of the Rewards would be critical in countering your opinion, as I invalidate it.
I’ve partially addressed this above, but this matters greatly on how you’re comparing. Growth has been very good for Brave. Is there room for lots of growth compared to the existing market share? You best believe it. Is it growing as fast now as Chrome did in its first 3 years? Nope, not at all. Yet there are a lot more factors at play which you are ignoring in trying to make some of these false comparisons. Introducing new platforms is difficult in a world where there is more competition than ever.
This even gets further complicated if we dive into discussions of consumer psychology, branding, etc. But this already is long as heck, so let me kind of pause here and instead suggest that you research and consider all of these things I’m referencing.
Now if you just want to say you’re posting here that you personally don’t like this browser and you prefer other business models, then that’s fine. At that point it’s your own opinion. Yet the issue here is you’re trying to use your opinion as fact and throw in a lot of logical fallacies to support that narrative.
Anyway, I’m not going to respond here any further.
Be kind. 
Probably shoulda put this first. lol Take care. 
button and all on posts, or even the 
here it’s a way to show that users are supporting content. Only unlike those emojis or likes on pages, you can trade/sell those to others.