I am interested in understanding Brave Software’s stance and actions regarding support for LGBTQ+ communities. Specifically, I would like to know if Brave has made any public statements, engaged in initiatives, or taken any actions that show their support for LGBTQ+ rights and inclusivity. This information is important to me as I want to ensure that the software and companies I support align with my values. If there are any examples or specific instances of Brave’s involvement in LGBTQ+ advocacy or support, please provide details.
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@u50tguku1f Let me start off by making sure you realize I’m another user and not someone from Brave.
Brave doesn’t align itself in any particular way. They are a business that serves everyone and does their best not to introduce any sort of bias or political opinion (other than privacy on internet) into any of their products or services. Unlike many companies, Brave hasn’t tried to be political or isolate any groups.
They are indeed inclusive as you would have seen through ads displayed within Brave Rewards. In fact, people have complained about it before, such as at Who Brave browser Android version chooses to advertise with and You should seriously stop showing pride month ads due to recent developments
That said, if you’re looking for them to openly push any agenda or advocate for groups, I think you’re “barking up the wrong tree,” as the saying goes.
Side Note
Oh, and I also want you to note that anyone you hear who says anything about Brave not being LGTBQ+ friendly are people who are only saying so as Brendan Eich long ago (around 2008, before Brave was ever created) had given $1,000 to an organization that ended up doing a campaign to advocate for California’s Proposition 8 which was to ban same sex marriage. People exaggerated this and tried saying it meant he was pushing for Proposition 8 and hated LGBTQ+, but that is far from the truth.
If you were unaware of that, I’m putting that out there. Again, he never came out saying he supported Proposition 8 nor has anything ever been said negatively about LGBTQ+ or anything. However, just knowing money went to something, people pushed heavily to try to get him removed as CEO from Mozilla and really tried ruining his life as much as possible.
What’s sad is even to this day, people try to take that and cause issues. For example, https://kagifeedback.org/d/2808-reconsider-your-partnership-with-brave
Anyway, I rambled a bit. Can’t show any public statements or initiatives necessarily because they stay silent on things. But as showed, they do support through ads shown and all. Overall they are inclusive and try not to isolate anyone regardless of beliefs.
Again, all of this just said as another user who isn’t employed by Brave and isn’t able to speak for the company or its employees. Not sure if anyone from Brave will answer anything else to you, but hoping I bring some clarity in.
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@Saoiray Thank you for this thorough answer, including the ramble! I feel this neutral approach is best for an app that focuses on privacy. It neither advocates for nor distances itself from the issue, which I think is a good middle ground approach towards “inclusion.”
I had always wondered about the Brendan Eich situation. When it first hit the news, if I remember correctly, I wrote off both Brendan and Brave, sadly. Then after hearing how well Brave was doing I decided to give it a try, and concluded the creator’s politics didn’t matter if it wasn’t affecting the product–but, now I realize I don’t even know his political views.
P.S. I like your name. Is it Irish or Scottish Gaelic? I looked it up and only found Saoirse. Sorry if this too off-topic. I’m new here.
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Yes, Irish Gaelic. Username is actually two names combined. Saoi is the Irish Gaelic, it’s a word meaning “wise man” or “teacher.” Ray is my last name. Saoi or Saoi Ray had been a bit of a nickname given when I was younger and was studying to be a druid. Long story on that, but I was chasing as much history and knowledge I could. My bloodline is a mix of a lot of things, but have tracked back part of the lineage to Ireland and Scotland. Then supposedly one part of bloodline goes back to Native American, though I can’t remember what tribe. But yeah, I spent a great deal of time on it.
I guess Saoi is mainly used as a prestigious title these days, of which I’d be nowhere near qualified. You can kind of see that at http://aosdana.artscouncil.ie/Saoi/
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@Saoiray Ah, I see. Fascinating!
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Generally speaking, those who engage in protesting and public advocacy, don’t believe in data privacy. Not using a broad brush here, but most people who push the LGBTQ agenda believe the government should monitor and control every aspect of their lives. Brave is the exact opposite and I hope they stay neutral in the political space
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I would delay speaking generally given the diversity we recognise today.
I, along with many other people, protest FOR data privacy, so your viewpoint seems non-sequitur to me. Those two behaviours are not mutually exclusive.
You seem to be making many assumptions about people you only know one thing about.
Unfortunately, saying you’re not using a broad brush doesn’t negate the fact you are, in fact, using a broad brush. More so when ‘generally speaking’.
I think you are making inaccurate, emotional assumptions about LGBTQ+ people and their supporters.
Protesting ignorance and intolerance is not a sign of wanting the government to interfere with people’s lives.
With all due respect and with all sincerity, your perspective appears to be quite skewed and misinformed.
I cannot assume to know where you choose to learn about the world and society, but maybe you can expand your sources and diversify your understanding.
I have no qualms with any organisation displaying it’s inclusive nature. In fact, it highlights the degraded mentality of some smaller-minded (small tribe) people by showing those who protest against equality and acceptance of humanity in all it’s forms and colours.
As a member of a social subgroup, as are all humans, knowing I am accepted and understood (especially in a world replete with wilful ignorance and emotional reactivity) is priceless to me. It shows cohesion and acceptance. It is only a bad thing to those who don’t want to accept or want to control others, and I don’t have any cares, beyond the basic, for those types of people.
IMHO, if love and social acceptance is now seen as merely a political policy, something has gone very wrong with our species.
The only agenda is that of acceptance for how were are each born. Victimising or hating someone because of who they are is the lowest possible rung of base animal psychological defence. And it’s saddening to hear it spoken with such ignorant confidence.
Is not the dogmatic homogenisation of the exuberance of life, reducing free humanity down to overly simplistic expectations not also an agenda of the simple-minded in order to deny and overrule humanity’s shared nature of fluidity inherent in biological evolution?
People like you and me just want to be accepted for who we are. Nothing more, nothing less. It is NOT our place to dictate nature’s hold on humanity. It is highly childish - egotistical and narcissistic - to believe the universe SHOULD make sense to the mind of a child.
Ours is to learn and accept out of love and cognition, not dictate and control out of irrational fear and emotional reactions.
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Like I stated in my response, I used the term broad brush to exclude people like yourself. However, in reality, the overwhelming majority of the LGBTQ, and when I say overwhelming, I mean overwhelming, support government oversight and intervention…literally to the point where something called the LGBTQ+ Data Inclusion Act was passed in 2023. This act actually strips data privacy and requires federal agencies to classify all sorts of variations in sex characteristics for the LGBTQ community. No chance a law like this passes unless there is immense pressure from the advocacy community for more oversight. I think instead of focusing your efforts on my post, you should be focusing on them: https://lgbtfunders.org/resources/best-practices-for-foundations-on-collecting-data-on-sexual-orientation-and-gender-identity/
But you started by saying…
You may have to be more explicit in your reasoning.
Also, I still don’t get your issue. You are making lots of assumptions.
Are your concerns about knowing how many LGBTQ+ people are out there, or how current government policies can adversely affect them?
Or is it that the government wants to know about it’s citizenry?
Are you averse to government surveys?
The page you sent a link for is describing how organisations can conduct surveys and why they should consider collecting data about minority groups…
It doesn’t force anyone to do anything. I think you may have to read it again. This part talks about individual privacy and anonymity in collecting data…
"Respecting privacy is a valid concern. No one should be forced to come out about their sexual orientation or gender identity if they don’t wish to. One way to collect data on sexual orientation and gender identity while protecting the privacy of your employees is to conduct your survey anonymously, so that it is not tied to names or individual records of employees or trustees. Online tools such as Survey Monkey offer an easy method for anonymous data collection. This also protects people’s privacy about other aspects of their identity – for example, some people may prefer not to publicly reveal their religion or their disability.
Another option for protecting privacy is to allow respondents to answer “prefer not to answer” for sexual orientation, gender identity, and other questions. The main drawback to including a “prefer not to answer” option is that those data points will be discarded, leading to a smaller overall dataset on those questions for your institution (and for the sector)."
We had a lot of misguided people falling over themselves about the 15-minute cities. People thought we were going to be kettled into neighbourhoods and not allowed to drive more than 5 miles, or something daft. It was a complete overreaction to a misunderstanding of a complex proposal, not an authoritarian’s plan for national domination lol
I honestly think you’ve blown this out of proportion. You’re not alone, though. A great many people misunderstand the legal system because they think Latin is used to obscure meanings - Just because you can’t understand something, doesn’t make it nefarious.
The only thing to fear is fear itself, it makes us react as if feral animals.
There is only a need to rebut a debate point…when there is a need to rebut a debate point.
I know it’s not a requirement to make sense, but it helps if you want to engage with people on a meaningful level.