And that’s the strangest part here. Why so? Even in WinXP browsers still work just fine as long as you’re able to update certificates. There’s literally no reasons for it not to unless some shady artificial limitation takes place (yes, Nvidia, I’m looking at you).
I’m using Brave on a Win8.1 table since it works well with RAM limitations - that’s the only browser that can work with 5 windows 20+ tabs each alongside an IDE on 4 GB of RAM w/o any problems. There are no other options really.
In things like this, it’s going beyond my realm of knowledge. I don’t pretend to know much or be an expert. I just help and provide feedback on what I do know through observation and personal experience. For what it’s worth, my automatic thought here is that without security updates, you can’t update certificates. Also, nobody said Brave would stop working. It just says you won’t be able to update.
As I shared elsewhere, I believe I’ve seen before that it’s just that auto update will be disabled and there won’t be any guarantees for any older OS, such as Windows 7 and Windows 8, as they won’t be tested. If I’m right about that, then the browser will continue to work. However, if you need to seek assistance for issues while using the browser on an unsupported OS, then they won’t be able to help you.
That said, since I’m just a normal User and not anything close to being a developer or expert within the tech realm, I’m waiting for better answers from people like @sampson and @clifton if they end up providing details. Also, if no info from there, I’ll hope maybe can get more information on Tuesday’s Community Call. For now, I’d say let’s all be patient though. There’s still at least a month before we worry about the support ending. And in terms of the notification constantly appearing, will see what solutions they can at least offer for that.
I have several PC’s running on both Windows 7 and Windows 10. I’ll be migrating to a different browser on all systems, regardless. The People deserve better. The People deserve a browser that doesn’t impose artificial limitations and emulate Big Tech. In my experience Win 7 is still the superior, more efficient, more user-friendly, FAR less bloated OS to this day, except for a few ho-hum features like DX12.
If you want my part of the market share, do better.
Ah, I see now, thanks. Those are the things that don’t bother me. In fact until this year I’ve been using The World Browser which is like what, 48 engine or so? You get the Idea I think. It was lightweight, only Maxthon Nitro was lughter, but it was also older (35) and with less features (literally 2 settings: make default and choose homepage). And World had proper gesture support - just like Maxthon 5, those 2 (well, 3 - Nitro as well) are the only ones to work. Because Chromium starting from a specific version separates mouse gestures and touch gestures. And nobody implements touch gestures, so tap and hold on Win (right click) and drag to draw a gesture doesn’t work anywhere now. Except for UC where they’ve made dumb 2- and 3-finger gestures. Like the hell is this, I’m holding a tablet in two hands and operate it with thumbs, where the hell am I supposed to get a 3rd finger for those gestures?
Sorry, I think I went too much off-topic. But the point is Maxthon 6 I’m using on a desktop (just objectively more features vs Brave’s built-in TOR) keeps auto-updating no matter what. And all the story with disabling it here most likely is tied to manifest V3. IMO ofc.
I just asked at the end of the Community Call about this. Here’s their two main things (paraphrased, not literal quotes)
Question: With the end of life for Windows 7 and 8, will that end the capability to get even manual updates or is it just marking the end of official testing and implementation, where there’s no guarantee it will still work?
Answer: Good question, we’re not sure. It will be best to tag Clifton in on that to have the specifics. We’ll try to loop him and the team in to know specifically how that is going to work.
Question: Many have been expressing their annoyance about the “To get future Brave updates, you’ll need Windows 10 or later.” message. Would it be possible to implement a way for people to dismiss it so it doesn’t keep showing every time they open the browser?
Answer: It’s something we’ll look at doing, perhaps adding a flag or something. We’ll have to check with our Security team and others, as we know they definitely want to make sure people are aware that there will be security vulnerabilities if they don’t upgrade. But perhaps by adding a flag or other option, it can be deemed that the person is aware of it and accepted risk. Let us talk to teams and see what we can do.
I don’t mind having to tap on my touchpad once every time I open Brave to get rid of that banner at the top warning about Brave not supporting Windows 8.1.
(The same with Chrome.)
I don’t get that warning using the Librewolf browser.
I always surf the web sandboxed by Sandboxie, set to automatically empty the sandbox when closing a browser, so whatever came in I don’t want is gone after browsing.
On top of that I have Malwarebytes, HitmanPro, Windows Defender, and herdProtect which utilizes 68 scan engines, including the top brands. All for free except Malwarebytes.
So I see no urgent reason to give up utilizing my perfectly working 8.1 on my HP Elitebook 850G1 for Windows 10 (or 11 if I could).
I have enjoyed StartIsBack since I got my current laptop in 2013, so it looks like a modernized Windows 7.
I have had Windows updates turned off for years now. No need for any of that in my setup
I can always consider getting 10 or 11 if things get so bad I can’t enjoy my current carefully customized system any longer. But for now, “What me worry?”
Brave does not automatically gets removed from the sandbox after closing that otherwise excellent browser. But one right click on the Sandboxie icon and “Terminate All Programs” solves that minor issue.
It will work as usual in its present state. But you will not get newer brave shields features as the browser will not be able to update.
If a bug comes to notice which causes brave shields to not work on the outdated browser, then ads will come through as there is no way to fix it. It is a very unlikely scenario and I do not think it will happen quickly, it will take time for the bug to happen.
Meaning, shields will work as usual. (I might be wrong here)
@Utidiysyisitdixoxohd I know in your more recent comment here, you’re referencing Microsoft and/or Google. Moving past that though, I thought you might be interested in some of the conversation from last night if you didn’t see it.
THis thread sinply shows the same nonsense as so many others. THere is nothing wrong with Win7, not only is there still another update in January, if you would do any research, you might find that there are already MS mentions of another 3 years support.
But then… each time I try brave, I run into several complications which not only waste my time, they also prevent me from keeping several very useful Ff features… so good riddance…
I stll would appreciate it if all the super-super-clever computer people wpould stop telling stories that are not true, just because they like them.
I hate these windows no support and windows based browser os ugrades when Windows 8.1 is still ok and not so complicated. It fine to have only Addon updates for upgrade only else Its looks more controlling of individual choice of os by some other person. There should be some secure browser equivalent to chrome outlook and function with no upgrade issue
@spirity Issue though is what average people don’t recognize. In order for everything to work on the older OS, it has to be written in code to recognize the OS and be able to communicate with it. As technology advances and the code changes, developers have to add extra lines of code to try to keep it compatible with prior OS. It can take a lot of time to do and really taps into the income streams as well.
To quote a really good little article written by a developer from Vivaldi:
All the various OS versions cause challenges for browsers, too. All that nice functionality the OS is managing for the applications is accessed through various function calls, called SDKs and APIs. These tend to change, new ones added, and old ones removed in newer versions of the OS, which means that to support older OSes special code needs to be written to adapt to the changes, and all of these variations need to be tested, usually on relevant hardware, which as mentioned can be hard to find. These adaptations also tend to complicate the logic of the code, making maintenance and testing more difficult, and can introduce bugs that are difficult to find.
So, when an OS version reaches EOL it becomes a question of whether or not the browser should support that older version, and how long it should be supported. One factor can be the number of users on the older platform, and another is how difficult continued support will be to maintain.
Hopefully brave team will work from now (before Jan 10, 2023) to make shields receive independent database updates that are separate and not being tied with the browser updates, so that the shields filter lists will be updated regularly even if brave browser dont receive feature/future updates
For developers it’s indeed a pain to keep supporting all deprecated systems and end up in too complicated and buggy code. People complaining here don’t seem to grasp that.
If you don’t like the newer windows, grab yourself a nice Linux distro, you’ll have a modern, well supported os with your favourite browser with more control than you’ll ever have on windows. Great support for older hardware, too.