Lack of Window Frame in Brave Makes Browser Nearly Unusable on Windows

Hello Brave Team,

I created this forum account solely to express my disappointment with Brave’s window design on Windows. Not having a proper window frame is a serious usability flaw, as it makes dragging and moving the window nearly impossible without using multi-key shortcuts. This issue feels especially frustrating given that Linux users have an option to enable system title bars and borders, while Windows users are left with a minimalist design that sacrifices essential functionality.

This lack of a window frame makes simple tasks unnecessarily complicated and interferes with my workflow. I shouldn’t need to press keyboard combinations to move the browser—it should be as intuitive as grabbing and dragging. Please consider reintroducing a proper window frame in Brave’s Windows version to restore the usability of the browser.

Thank you.

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My message was very clear to anybody who reads my post. I am not doing any of this crap you suggest.

@markaction agree may not need to provide as much detail as they mentioned, but I will argue that what you’re saying does not make sense to me. Such as to say anything about having to use any keyboard combinations to move the browser?

And while I am able to make some base assumptions, I honestly am not absolutely certain what you’re referencing in your talk of not having a window frame. In that regard, having videos or screenshots highlighting your request would be helpful in making sure your points are understood. Or at least more descriptive explanation in general.

Yeah, sorry I didn’t mean to be a jerk about it but did not understand either how you didn’t/don’t have a window frame, that’s certainly strange, I haven’t seen that issue myself… and again that template is something that typically is preferred to be used by Brave Mods here…

Maybe to dumb the template down, share your specific OS (I see it’s Windows, which Windows 10? 11?)
and Brave version as well…
as I said though, generally the more info shared the better for others to help you, such as @Saoiray said too, screenshots and/or video would be very helpful.

Anyway, again wasn’t trying to be annoying but didn’t really know how to approach your issue so suggested the typical way Brave prefers to see things… but good luck with your issue though :v:

Why don’t you just show this to your software developers. They would understand exactly what this means.

It is Windows 11.

I use your Linux version 99% of the time and it is fine.

This is your product. Do whatever the hell you want. I have moved on.

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Nov. 6, 2024

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1266400

Chosen solution:

I erased the entire Firefox applications support folder. Then using Activity Monitor, force quit Firefox. Then restarted the computer. That solved it.

Mac Book Pro 15" 2019 2.3 GHz Intel Core i9 16 GB 2400 MHz DDR4 RAM Mac OS 10.14.6

Cheers.

This has absolutely nothing to do with what I wrote about it.

How do you all move the Brave browser on your desktop? For 40 years you could drag the window frame, but you can’t do that anymore. So where am I being stupid?

If you click on the link provided, you get:

"Firefox has lost its window frame, looks like a super zoomed in window without any bars"

Your concern, is “Lack of Window Frame . . .

So there was some possibility, that the article (linked) might cause you to investigate.

The meaning of “Internet browser window frame”, varies. I much preferred the window frame style that included useful horizontal and vertical scroll bars and controls - because they made clear to the user/viewer at least the right and bottom boundaries of the browser window.

That very useful tooling was thrown away by new-age style=“minimalism” . . . that keeps getting rid of things that work[ed].

Things that include what has mysteriously disappeared from your Brave Browser (Windows OS), installed.

One thing you might try, is a command line startup - take a look at the steps:

By clicking and dragging the window.

Umm, yes you can. Hence why I have asked you to share more information.

Guess saying you can’t do things you can. Also speaking about things like having to press keyboard combinations. All while refusing to explain in more details what you’re doing, because right now it’s all a mystery.

Video below:

To clarify, I understand you’re experiencing issues, and I’m not suggesting they aren’t real. However, based on what you’ve described, it doesn’t seem like the problem is directly related to Brave itself. It might be something specific to your device or a third-party tool causing these issues.

As I and others have been asking for more details to better understand the issue, we haven’t received enough information to identify the root cause.

If you could provide more specifics—such as the OS you’re using, the exact version of Brave, and any other relevant details—it would help us or the Brave team replicate the issue and offer potential solutions. We’re here to help and just need a bit more information to move forward.

Thank you. I had at least 20 tabs (if that is the right word) open. I don’t use Windows often and I was expecting the Window Frame to behave like the Linux version. In the Linux version, the Window Frame is above the tabs, and it won’t matter how many open tabs you have. In Windows, too many open tabs will make moving the Window more difficult.

This makes sense to me now. I apologize for expressing frustration here.

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Ah, ok. This makes a lot more sense but wasn’t something I was getting from what was being said.

I also want to add, I showed of me grabbing where the tabs appear, but that’s not the only spot. The blank/gray to the left or right of the search bar also can serve as a spot to grab from. So like looking at this screenshot below where I opened a lot of tabs. I added red boxes to show where I can click and drag to move the window.

Zoomed in a bit:

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Wow… Okay. Time out!

MarkAction is spot on in his assessment and impression with the Brave Support failure in addressing his simple query. It signals an utter lack of professional responsibility of the Brave team.

As an educator and a clinician, I will take one small-time-segment to offer this: Shame on your lack of professionalism. (This management model seems to be affected by a generational disconnect.) There are certain universal laws of business operations and – especially customer service. From the outside, there are trouble signs, which makes me nervous about fully supporting your vision and product offering.

Currently, I only use Brave about half-time and do not engage with any or the offered benefits because of the annoying glitch and the – glaringly obvious - red flags I sense in your operations/ business model.

Users are not programmers; we are not privy to, nor have, the physical access to the mechanisms to fix an observed problem.

I am also on the outside looking in. I came to this forum titled ‘support’ to have a small, but hugely, annoying glitch addressed. After reading this exchange, I am struck that the Brave Business Model likely pervades with a ‘self-serve mentality. It also smacks of a, likely, top-down management style.

Why risk being treated like your forum admins just treated MarkAction? His exchange is an opportunity for internal improvement.

In the end, I have no sense what the overall project scope for the Brave Model entails, but I see some very real red flags for the ability of the Firm to sustain their business model for more than a few years. Oh, the group may limp along for some years, but by overlooking and professionally addressing legitimate user questions will certainly degrade the ability to grow, thrive and gain the respect and support of the customers who rely on your product offers.

Strongly suggest your team assess your management and operations culture. Look for some assistance in cross-generational and bottom-up business practices.

Hint: It’s not the Toyota method that will help you win here; maybe consider the Walt Disney University or another, similar, program. The key for your group is understanding your customer and being of real service in a targeted and efficient manner.

Well, this old crone is done offering her opinion. I do hope you take my observation to heart and act on it. I’d like to dump the other search engine I am using and provide loyalty to Brave – after you fix your internal problems.

Oh, like MarkAction, I had to provide a level of PI to join just to post this comment. Unacceptable. Imagine walking into a grocer and being stopped at the door, barred from shopping until PI is provided and forced to join a card club. It is truly a customer turn-off. I also will be deleting any PI and disenrolling my participation once this post is accepted.

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So are we all clear on this issue then? As stated in previous replies, grabbing and dragging, resizing or moving the browser window works the same way it does with any other application. If it is not working that way then there must be something else at play.

Note that you are trying to move the entire browser window and you have a million tabs open and are having trouble — as @Saoiray said I would recommend using these spots as they are easier to grab:
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