Built in VPN for additional Privacy/Security

My hunch is that a built-in VPN would help most individuals who don’t have a standalone VPN running on their phones & computers. Would this be something the Brave team is looking into implementing?

Maybe a collaboration with Cloudflare’s 1.1.1.1 Warp could make sense to make sure speed is not being compromised.

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Hi, you want the Brave developers to make an integrated VPN in the browser accessible to everyone?

Do you want to cover the VPN costs?

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@MediaBird
Hi, you want the Brave developers to make an integrated VPN in the browser accessible to everyone?
Do you want to cover the VPN costs?

If they create their own VPN, then I would certainly be willing to pay for that. If, as I mentioned, they can collaborate with CloudFlare then then there could be a free tier without CloudFlare’s Warp option and a paid tier with the Warp option.

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Yeah, and not everybody sees it that way. Let’s assume Brave has an integrated VPN, but only 20% use it, because otherwise there are other providers who are preferred by the other 80% (I e.g. with the VPN Hide.me). Don’t you think it would be smarter to install your own VPN independently of Brave?

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I can see your numbers holding up as long as Brave is a niche browser but as it grows and gets used by less technologically nuanced individuals, I would say that the majority of individuals would gain more benefits from having a VPN option backed in. For advanced users, who don’t want to use what they offer, should still be able to disable the default and go with their VPN of their choice.

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Hmm. This extension would suffice, wouldn’t it? And if your suggestion would be accepted, you could have this extension installed automatically with Brave (as far as that goes).

But then there are the people who wouldn’t like it at all (see Firefox not too long ago).

Edit:
I don’t want to sell the VPN Hide.me to anyone here. I just don’t know any other VPN provider that offers the same as Hide.me proxy.

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We can do a lot with extensions and there are many choices to add a browser based VPN. I would not recommend Brave to add a third party extension to their browser. So far their track record shows that they back in features that are privacy/security oriented such as ad, cookie, script blocking. They could have made an extension themselves or used a third-party blocker but they didn’t. Any potential VPN plans should follow along the same lines.

Of course until they do, I recommend using extensions to get certain jobs done, such as a full-fledged password manager like LastPass instead of the built in manager.

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@MONKiB @MediaBird
I really want to know what you are talking about but I just don’t know what you are talking about.
:rofl:
Because you are both many grades above me in these matters.
But, I’ve got a sense that you are engaged in a very interesting conversation.
I’m going to refer my husband to this topic.
:leaves:

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Opera browser has this as a standard opt in feature.

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So BRAVE users should switch to Opera to get a VPN? :roll_eyes:

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Right now, if you want a free browser integrated VPN, the only service I know of is Opera.

But obviously, as @mk7z points out, if you like using Brave, that isn’t a viable option.

I meant to say that Opera have shown that building a free-to-use VPN into their product is possible. Perhaps Brave could do that too.

Firefox, on the other hand, is probably going to also introduce a VPN at cost. So there might be a precedent to charge users for a VPN experience in the browser. I don’t like the idea of two-tiered browser experiences, but in practice, it will probably work out.

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Whether or not it’s a viable option, since 2016 Opera has been owned by a Chinese company.

That alone should make it an unviable option.

Brave just announced a built-in in its blog. Not sure whether it’s operational yet.

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I mean, Opera were owned by Russians before that, right? It’s never been world leading in privacy. I think its strength lies in rolling out features well before anyone else is ready to even test them!

On that vein, Firefox has traditionally focussed on privacy. I seem to remember that they denounced VPNs as a privacy tool because all your traffic is funnelled into one place which is a tasty target for any attackers. It seems they are now more confident in VPNs.

According to the blog/whitepaper, Brave is trying to decentralise the burden using dVPN technology. They already have TOR profiles on their desktop browsers which breaks every other website obviously. Hopefully this dVPN is a bit more usable!

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Opera was bought by the Communist Chinese government. I run it on my phone because they have a lite version that is functional and quick, and I run it as my third browser for some RSS news reviews. But just be aware that the Chinese own Opera. Too bad, 'cuz its a nice secondary browser. I run FFox Quantum as my primary because of the overwhelming advantage it offers in function, security and power management over all other browsers.

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Each browser has its own views on VPN technology. See my other reply to @mk7z.

I am starting to realise, as you say, that multiple browsers are needed across different devices these days. The one-stop-shop of google chrome is no longer the best choice even when setting anti-google and privacy aside.

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Maybe i don’t know as much as you guys, but Opera vpn AFAIK is more a proxy than a VPN.

What i think Brave can do to have a type of vpn is to team up with orchid (a crypto based vpn) allowing users to exchange BAT to Orchid from the same browser like gas to navigate throught their VPN. That would be cool and will be another way to use BAT.

Any way is just a suggestion.

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That seems to be a pretty nice idea, but I don’t know how safe it would be, because there are a lot of companies that produces gadgets and love to collect information from everybody in the world. Moreover it will be very nice to them if you have a VPN inside your phone, than it would be impossible to access everything you want. Also, there are a lot of secured VPN providers on https://www.vpntesting.com/reviews/windscribe, it is very easy to download one from this website and use it. Pretty comfortable and safe.

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Please. whatever you do, don’t bundle a VPN into Brave. Adding more vectors for being compromised is not a good thing.

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